power on a car is not hard to do. Increase the timing by 2-3 degrees will get you there. I know what my timing is and what it would take to produce 10HP more on the same car. Problem is, and as you have stated, you begin pushing the limits of what is safe. I mentioned putting the ZEM on it simply to demonstrate that you can eaasily make a car produce more power without changing anything other than the parameters. I honestly have no desire to attend any sort of competition/dyno session, etc. Most people here know well enough about tuning saafety and how to make more power that successfully showing that a program will make more power than my AshSPEC program will simply raise eyebrows. I've had two years to develop the stage3 program and I'm not about to modify it to gain 10HP more for the sake of beating Boost Solutions. I'll let them to their own devices and continue doing what I do and let them be.